tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7988870184363644257.post7373245075798628009..comments2023-10-26T04:49:17.512-07:00Comments on Perpetua of Carthage: Gays Riot, Chase Christians from Castro DistrictPerpetuahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16632860530530786486noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7988870184363644257.post-8260781213298714622008-11-16T20:34:00.000-08:002008-11-16T20:34:00.000-08:00Dear Dave Raes,How truly terrible. Thank you for s...Dear Dave Raes,<BR/><BR/>How truly terrible. Thank you for sharing what you have heard about this. There has been nothing in the local press since the one KTVU report. <BR/><BR/>Best regards<BR/>PerpetuaPerpetuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16632860530530786486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7988870184363644257.post-30383404967006788752008-11-16T17:52:00.000-08:002008-11-16T17:52:00.000-08:00For what it's worth, Dave, I wasn't putting an oun...For what it's worth, Dave, I wasn't putting an ounce of blame on the folks in the story, but the Church, generally, is the larger "target" here and, Prop 8 aside, have tended to make two mistakes up to this point. First, we have accepted, and lived out, a "Gospel" based much more on opinion than faith, and social normality rather than godly righteousness. Second, we've presumed to uphold our own adopted standards to the world instead of the standard of Christ. <BR/>The difference is that in the one we're all holding hands, or hands-in-pockets, in our own holy comfort zones, the other would have us "heart to God, hand to man" in a true heart of holy love. <BR/>The first we can all fake just fine: The second requires, and reflects, a real work of God.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02215557199259127287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7988870184363644257.post-76117726494869145122008-11-16T17:02:00.000-08:002008-11-16T17:02:00.000-08:00I heard one of the victims of the ordeal's version...I heard one of the victims of the ordeal's version of the story. They were not preaching. They were worshiping and praying, not confronting anybody. They had hot coffee poured on 2 of the young girl's faces, one of them was being kicked, one of the girls was got punched in the head. Who was being hateful? Not them. Also, whistles were being blown in right in their ears.Dave Raeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12423165864124305881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7988870184363644257.post-64141027459676634092008-11-16T16:32:00.000-08:002008-11-16T16:32:00.000-08:00The philosophy prof here was invited to a bit of a...The philosophy prof here was invited to a bit of a roast a few years ago. It was a panel discussion on homosexuality & Christianity. He was the Christian respondent on a panel with NOW and (I think it was ACT UP), and about 45% of the crowd was "out." At the end of the discussion, the floor was open for questions and the first question to him opened with a word of thanks for his care, the question was more of a pastoral than belligerent nature, and that man sought him out after the event to thank him personally. Did he condone their "lifestyle?" Not a bit, but he showed concern for the people involved over and above an opinionated reaction to their rhetoric.<BR/><BR/>Why do we, as Church, get so upset about this particular manifestation of human sin? Could it be that we see the road map in Romans 1 and see the upcoming results of our incorporating all the other milestones as decor? Unless salvation applies to the whole life, "Christianity" becomes nothing more than an ill-defined label for any number of philosophies, quirks, and opinions. The good news is that there is no limit to the depth of new life in God for all who "with a true heart turn to Him."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02215557199259127287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7988870184363644257.post-19475054127257085652008-11-16T13:19:00.000-08:002008-11-16T13:19:00.000-08:00Hi Robert,I think you are saying that the appropri...Hi Robert,<BR/><BR/>I think you are saying that the appropriate reaction to this story is not to view the "gay community" as our enemy but rather to view the individuals as in need.<BR/><BR/>But what are you suggesting we view them as in need of? The local Episcopal Diocese does view them as in need of God's message of all encompassing <B>unconditional love and approval</B>.<BR/><BR/>The Christians being chased out in this video probably had a message of God's redeeming love, offering redemption from sin. I am thinking their message is the more traditional one that God's love is unconditional but God's approval is not.<BR/><BR/>I think these Christians were chased out because the gays in the video are furious at the idea that they are perceived as sinners, overcome with hatred and anger that these Christians believe that homosexual behavior is not approved by God.Perpetuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16632860530530786486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7988870184363644257.post-54545998871528103172008-11-16T13:03:00.000-08:002008-11-16T13:03:00.000-08:00It's a challenge to confirm love for someone who f...It's a challenge to confirm love for someone who feels marginalised, and harder to overcome the sense of marginalisation, but isn't this, more than politics, what Jesus has called us to? Not at all that I would say for any one to open the church doors for "gay" rites, but after all, the Church's rites and sacraments are for her own, aren't they? How can we re-focus to see the "gay community" more as neighbors in need rather than as our enemies?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02215557199259127287noreply@blogger.com