tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7988870184363644257.post8992146376439452826..comments2023-10-26T04:49:17.512-07:00Comments on Perpetua of Carthage: Look ++Rowan: Disputes About Christ as Lord and the Imperative of EvangelismPerpetuahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16632860530530786486noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7988870184363644257.post-87514779236136382422008-07-07T11:29:00.000-07:002008-07-07T11:29:00.000-07:00Bryan's question is a good one, and it points to t...Bryan's question is a good one, and it points to the need for better reporting from the people in the pew. Most of us are in a daze on Sundays and follow the rector's lead. So he strikes out the word Lord?. Okay, then we have to call the Lord's Prayer "Jesus' Prayer Advice," or the "Our Higher Power Prayer," etc. The Bishop may get to hear about these shenanigans from concerned parishoners, but the reporter from the pew does not usually see any changes (except perhaps becoming labelled heretics ourselves and being banished to the outermost realms of the www). <BR/>I appreciate the www and how it might serve as a tool to keep such behavior (as Perpetua documents) in check. The fact that it is going on at all, and that the Archbishop does not acknowledge it is very troubling.<BR/><BR/>I decided to help the AoC by rewriting his comments into a less understandable style, <BR/> <BR/>"the <I><B>lack of</B></I> conviction of the uniqueness of Jesus Christ as Lord and God and and <I><B>lack of</B></I> the absolute imperative of evangelism are not <I><B>uncommonly</B></I> in dispute in the common life of the Communion."Undergroundpewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7988870184363644257.post-10975737012892619542008-07-06T17:26:00.000-07:002008-07-06T17:26:00.000-07:00It appears that the link to my other postings on A...It appears that the link to my other postings on Anomic Anglicanism did not work, <A HREF="http://creedalchristian.blogspot.com/search/label/Anomic%20Anglicanism" REL="nofollow">so let's try it again</A>.Fr. Bryan Owenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02040773309359417883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7988870184363644257.post-32690291591553251802008-07-06T17:00:00.000-07:002008-07-06T17:00:00.000-07:00Dear Perpetua,I'm inclined to say that your respon...Dear Perpetua,<BR/><BR/>I'm inclined to say that your response begs my questions. While we need to take seriously the things that go over the cliff when it comes to the norms and boundaries that govern our common life as Episcopalians/Anglicans, we also need to be wary of hasty, unwarranted generalizations. Without some pretty massive, persuasive empirical research that goes well beyond seven examples, our concerns collapse into a fallacy.<BR/><BR/>Having said that, I will also say that I appreciate your effort (and those of others) to document this kind of boundaryless, normless, and theologically vacuous stuff. It really does drive me nutty (can you tell?).<BR/><BR/>In addition to the original posting entitled "Anomic Anglicanism," <A HREF="http://creedalchristian.blogspot.com/search/label/Anomic%20Anglicanism<br/>" REL="nofollow">here are the other postings on my blog where I've touched on cases of Anomic Anglicanism</A>.Fr. Bryan Owenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02040773309359417883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7988870184363644257.post-11138833269239731562008-07-06T16:18:00.000-07:002008-07-06T16:18:00.000-07:00Hi Bryan+,I think they are "in dispute in the comm...Hi Bryan+,<BR/><BR/>I think they are "in dispute in the common life of the Communion" if they are rejected by religious leadership (ministers and lay leaders) in churches, cathedrals and diocesan newsletters.<BR/><BR/>I don't think they can only be said to be in dispute when the majority of the Episcopal and Canadian Church reject them.<BR/><BR/>Thank you for directing us to Anomic Anglicanism.Perpetuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16632860530530786486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7988870184363644257.post-3592878379136130092008-07-06T15:30:00.000-07:002008-07-06T15:30:00.000-07:00Seven examples of something wrong, no doubt about ...Seven examples of something wrong, no doubt about it. Discipline and accountability really do need to kick in with cases of <A HREF="http://creedalchristian.blogspot.com/2007/03/anomic-anglicanism.html" REL="nofollow">Anomic Anglicanism</A>. The fact that it does not in these cases drives me <EM>crazy</EM>! <BR/><BR/>But I still have questions. <BR/><BR/>For instance, what percentage of the whole Episcopal Church do these seven examples represent? And on what basis do we really know that these seven examples are representative of the whole?<BR/><BR/>On what basis do these examples <EM>prove</EM> that <EM>entire dioceses</EM> (meaning every single baptized man, woman, and child within those dioceses) doubt or reject the uniqueness of Jesus Christ as Lord and his divinity or doubt/reject the evangelical imperative?<BR/><BR/>And is there convincing if not irrefutable empirical evidence to show that these seven examples are representative of the majority if not the whole of the Episcopal Church? If that body of empirical evidence exists, where can we find it? And who conducted the research using what methodology, and using what kinds of samples?<BR/><BR/>If we can't give sound, persuasive answers to these sorts of questions, then in spite of the reality that these seven examples are deeply troublesome and should be addressed, we run the very real risk of falling into the <A HREF="http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/converse.html" REL="nofollow">fallacy of converse accident</A>.Fr. Bryan Owenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02040773309359417883noreply@blogger.com