Thursday, January 15, 2009

Putting a Price on Virginity: $3.7 mil?

The highest reported offer for the virginity of "Natalie Dylan" is now $3.7 million. "Natalie Dylan" is the 22 year old graduate of Sacramento State University who decided to sell her virginity when she "ended up in a financial bind, because her stepfather allegedly used her college status to fraudulently apply for student loans, and then ran off with the money." Here is a video from September when the offers were just starting to come in:

12 comments:

Dr.D said...

There is a special word for her: whore. It is a permanent condition; it cannot be undone, and should not be engaged lightly. It has eternal ramifications for her soul.

Perpetua said...

This is definitely prostitution. But I do believe in forgiveness of sin.

If it is true that her stepfather used her college status to apply for loans and ran off with the money, I wonder if she is doing this so publicly to get revenge on her mother for marrying the guy.

Dr.D said...

Nothing her step father did can change the fact that she is going to become, of her own free will, a whore. A piece of trash, unfit to ever be considered to become any man's wife.

What doth it profit a (wo)man if (s)he gain the whole world but loose her own soul?

now said...

I think it's an interesting idea to consider. I'd think about it myself if I could set up a set of strict boundaries: a) disease-free b) stellar background check c) and the person would have to be someone who would agree to only the kind of sex I was selling (so, no anal or oral-just plane vaginal sex with a condom) d) and I would want it video-taped for my protection against rape e) and I would want the money upfront f) and I would demand to be left completely alone afterwards (no further contact). If all of that played out and someone still wanted to pay to insert himself under such conditions, I'd feel fine about it.

BillyD said...

I strenuously disagree with Dr. D's words. "Whore" is not a permanent condition, does not make people "pieces of trash," or unfit for marriage. If it were so, then there would have been no point to the Church's long ministry to "fallen women," no point to the Sacraments and other means of grace, and, indeed, no point in the Sacrifice of Christ. Jesus Christ did not come to save the virtuous. If Dr D's attitude represents what passes for morality among the "orthodox," then thank God I'm a heretic.

That said, I'm not sure that I would take someone's word for the fact that they are a virgin if they have shown themselves of the moral calibre to auction off their virginity in the first place.

Dr.D said...

Billy D is very anxious to emphasize that this woman can repent and be saved, but there is nothing in what she has said that indicates that she sees anything at all to be repented. Without that repentance, she will not be saved. Bill D cannot give that repentance to her, no matter how eager he may be to do so.

If she does this horrible thing that she has proposed, the fact will be forever true that she has done it. This will remain true, even if she later repents and is forgiven for throwing away this precious gift that God has intended that she should have saved for her husband. She will have done it for filthy money, and that will make her a whore forever. If she repents then a forgiven whore, but a whore none the less. Billy D, there are some mistakes that are permanent, and this one most certainly is.

In your own words, Billy D, "thank God I'm a heretic." I have wondered if this might not be true, and you have just confirmed it for us.

Billy D says that if willful sin such as this woman is proposing condemns a person, then there would have been no point to the Church's long ministry to "fallen women," no point to the Sacraments and other means of grace, and, indeed, no point in the Sacrifice of Christ. Jesus Christ did not come to save the virtuous. That is so obviously backward that it is simply astounding. It is precisely to the condemned, the trash of the world, that the Church ministers. But the salvation of Christ only comes to those who repent; that is a necessary condition.

now is evidently saying that she is also a whore, at least at heart if not in practice. Evidently the woods are full of them these days. You evidently value yourself very cheaply if you can be bought with mere money!

Perpetua said...

Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 seem relevant here:

"9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

(I added the bold and the italics.)

BillyD said...

Billy D is very anxious to emphasize that this woman can repent and be saved, but there is nothing in what she has said that indicates that she sees anything at all to be repented.

And prior to that moment on the road to Damascus, there was nothing in Paul's behavior to suggest that he saw anything to repent about, either.

Perpetua said...

Dear Now,
I am concerned that you are interested in this. Why do you need the money so badly?

now said...

Perpetua,
I have college loans and credit card debt that is getting worse not better. I am scared. And if I could wash it all away with one clean fuck-I'd do it to have the ease of not worrying about my worth every time I look at others around me who seem to be making it- people who have jobs and families with homes and gardens...lives that are theirs. I feel like I'm a traveler, barely making it in a foreign land. What I wouldn't give to feel the freedom of being able to relax into a life that's actually mine. As it is, I feel like I'm never good enough-and I'll never be able to pay my way out of debt in time to start building a life that's not rented or done on credit.
Thanks for the question and the post. Felt good to explore these parts of myself through the video.
Best,
Now

Scott Hankins said...

(Just checking in, seeing what you are about, and, generally...well...from a gay man with integrity, wishing you well. What you are about is so very painful. I studied something like this about children in India on sabbatical leave in Montreal at McGill - re: fringe movements in Hinduism - in 2002. Please don't "go off" on me. I'm trying to understand the difference here.)

BillyD said...

Scott, do you mean that there are fringe Hindus who are similarly auctioning off the virginity of children?